Alexandre
In the middle of a relaunch, Alfa Romeo has been gradually unveiling its future range of cars since joining Stellantis. The first Tonale on the market for 1 yearand, next year, a B-SUV. This will be followed by a new Stelvio in 2025 and a new electric Giulia in 2026.
Yes, but what next? As a reminder, the brand is, according to its CEO, finally profitable, and has plans to launch one new model per year until 2030with the ambition of beat its all-time sales record.
If a large SUV (a cousin of the future Levante) is almost certain to conquer markets such as China and the USA, it's a good thing, it's a more European model that could come next, an Alfetta. That's what Jean-Philippe Imparato told journalists from Quattroruote magazine. And it could be confirmed shortly after the presentation of the B-SUV.
This Alfetta could be a C-segment sedanavailable in several formats. We're thinking of a cousin of the Peugeot e-308. However, this would not be before 2028, on the new STLA Medium platform (inaugurated by the new Peugeot e-3008).
| MODELS | SEGMENT | YEAR | PLATFORM | INTERNAL CODE | PLANT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alfa Romeo Tonale | C-SUV | 2022 | FCA SW LWB | 965 | Pomigliano d'Arco (Italy) |
| Alfa Romeo Giulia MY23 | D-sedan | 2023 | Giorgio | 952 | Cassino (Italy) |
| Alfa Romeo Stelvio MY23 | D-SUV | 2023 | Giorgio | 949 | Cassino (Italy) |
| Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale | Supercar | 2023 | MC20 | P33 | Modena (Italy) |
| Alfa Romeo X | B-SUV | 2024 | PSA eCMP | 966 | Tychy (Poland) |
| Alfa Romeo Stelvio | D-SUV | 2025 | STLA Medium | 951 | |
| Alfa Romeo Giulia | D-sedan | 2026 | STLA Medium | 953 | |
| Alfa Romeo X | E-SUV | 2027 | STLA Large | ||
| Alfa Romeo Alfetta | C-sedan | 2028 | STLA Medium | ||
| Alfa Romeo X | 2029 | ||||
| Alfa Romeo X | 2030 |
It now remains to be seen what will be in store for 2029 and 2030... perhaps a GT, a cousin of the Granturismo Folgore, then the Tonale's replacement, which would then have an 8-year career.
Your predictions?
Peugeot-based... we've clearly hit rock bottom!
I'll go back to Mazda if I have to, because at least they have a shared platform with Lexus/Toyota/Subaru, and so will everyone around me.
I like the Mazda 3's design, but I'm less convinced by its engines.
And yet, like the MX5, its naturally-aspirated engines are very pleasant. Mazda's position is really going to be opposite Alfa, which for Toyota will become the group's sports brand, Lexus its premium brand, Centaur its luxury brand (much more desirable than Bentley or Royce), Lexus its 4×4 brand and Daihatsu its low-cost brand. In short, the group is complete, and each brand has its own specific engines. If it were to be shared with others, it would always be the brand that would manage the engine for the others, with different specificities (as with the BRZ/GR86).
And when you see the number of "REAL" sports cars in the Toyota group... they really have nothing to envy anyone, and in fact the opposite is true.
The argumentation is in keeping with the quality of the spelling. ....
Puerile commentary that adds nothing but lets you know who you're dealing with... a pathetic guy who's bored with his life.
It's Francophobia!
If this were Francophobia, there wouldn't be a huge number of us praising Alpine.😍
I don't think the Alpine is so bad, even if I don't like the style at all.
They're simply diabolical and give you one hell of a banana, and even though I haven't yet had the chance to ride the latest 2 models in the range, they're really an ultra-pleasurable sports car that keeps you smiling all the time. A real mistress that's hard to part with! 😍🥰😍
I love Alfa and Mazda, like you Peugeot, engine-wise (especially the 1.2 Puretech) scares me - but chassis and running gear-wise Peugeot is just a leader...beyond the Japanese. So if it's just a Peugeot base-chassis, we're way up there!
Ah, I'm sorry, but it's the other way round: since the 2000s, Japanese chassis in the tractor segment (led by Mazda and Honda) have been far superior to PSA chassis (apart from the Citroën Xantia, which with its active suspension has never been able to be dethroned by anyone else, and all brands without exception have broken their teeth trying).
But if you compare an Accord/MZD6/406/407/507, there's no photo... the 2 Japanese are ahead. At Toyota, no, because the Camry is a so-called neutral car (like the Fords), and at Nissan, to find something nice, you'd have to go to Infiniti, but there it's rear-wheel drive and a range above that (which doesn't hold a candle to Lexus).
I love Alfa and Mazda, like you Peugeot, engine-wise (especially the 1.2 Puretech) scares me - but chassis and running gear-wise Peugeot is just a leader...beyond the Japanese. So if it's just a Peugeot base-chassis, we're way up there!
Mazda: are you talking about those very nice cars called Japanese Alfa, with one of the worst habitability/dimension/trunk ratios on the market?
With engines that are certainly considered reliable, but whose strict performance is sometimes surprising.
I call it a brand of snobs.
Then why would a PSA base be humiliating?
Back to the Arna?
Indeed, one could write "you like Alfa... buy Mazda"! 🙄
And when you see the photos of the possible future B-SUV, it's legitimate to worry about the brand's future!
A future C-segment Alfetta, based on a Peugeot, and electric too! Who are we kidding?
I'm going to buy old Alfa Romeos, real ones, with character and engines, not rebadged Peugeots with a slightly improved design.
Clearly, many of us will be collecting old Alfa models from the first to the Giulia (excluding the Arna/159/Brera).
Agreed, my Sw 156 5cyl is approaching 300kkm,
It's to have an electric Peugeot with 300bornes max disguised as an Alfa...I'm going to kill my baby!
Yes, and if it's well maintained, you can easily double the price.😉👍
The only problem will be changing the Silentblocs due to the weight of the 5, but that's the illness of all cars.
There are a lot of things to change on 156s and 147s as they age. I know what I'm talking about, as I own a 147 GTA.
But I'm more familiar with Twin Spark and V6 engines than with diesels.
Yes, you're absolutely right, and you shouldn't hesitate to put your hand in your pocket and divide it by the cost of maintenance, but when you buy one, you know what to expect. No car is indestructible, except the old Mercedes (until early 2000) and especially the first Lexus. With Mazda, it's the same: don't hesitate to divide everything by 2 for maintenance, or even 3 when it's a rotary piston engine.
The only diesel I've ever owned was the Brera, and even though I sold it with 330,000 km, it cost me a fortune, far more than all the money I invested in the GT Busso (or 147/156/166/Thesis), and the Brera 2.2 and V6 we leased none of them went over 100,000 km without giving up for good (same problem with the Opels too).
I'm delighted to hear the news at last, although I don't understand why they don't keep the name Giulietta. The Golf is called Golf from generation to generation...
Otherwise, a C-segment model based on the STLA Medium. Frankly, there are worse bases. Obviously, only the e-3008 has not yet been tested, but if it's an evolution of the 308's EMP2, there are worse things out there. So, yes, the electric version of the 308 is out of date, and the internal combustion engine is mainly based on the 1.2 puretech. But by 2028, water will have flowed under the bridge.
As much as I'm afraid for the B-segment SUV based on the CMP platform, which is really not that great, and with a Puretech engine, I'm pretty confident about the potential future Alfetta.
There are worse things??? Oh, yeah??? Because I can't think of anything worse. You're the only one who's confident because I know Peeeeeersoooooonne who wants to hear about it. We no longer want to relive the garbage that was the Arna or the 159/Brera.
I'd love the Brera as a trash can, what a line!
Compared to the GT, this is one of them. No room, thank you Panzer weight, catastrophic engines, crappy handling...etc to the point that I sold this horror for 1000€ yesterday and I'm only too happy to have got rid of it.
The GT is almost 500kg lighter and can accommodate 4 adults with all their luggage, breathtaking lines, ultra lively engines and much more pleasant handling, which is why I bought a 1.8, a JTS and a V6 3.2 Busso and have no intention of reselling them.
Talk about garbage when you mention the Brera... It has its faults, including non-Italian engines and too much weight. But that's no reason to call it a garbage can.
But hey, you the turn of your answer I feel you take your opinion for a universal opinion so I will not seek to debate.
I had a Brera and yes, it was a piece of garbage compared to the GT, just like the 159 compared to the 156, and it's not just the petrol engines (apart from the 1.75 turbo) that were infamous, but also the catastrophic reliability, which, even when divided by 2, is either totally broken down all the time, or it's the gearbox or the clutch that don't hold up at all and have to be rebuilt after 50,000km. So whether you like my opinion or not, that's your problem, but the facts are there, and it's precisely the 159 and the Brera that have once again destroyed Alfa's image.
When you see the number of 156/GT and that of the 159/Brera... it's even more striking.
I got the 156 5 cyl with the best comfort/handling compromise of all the cars I've owned.
La 159 indeed only problems but the brera is still very beautiful
Yes, and it's a pity that Marchionne has abandoned the 156 2 project, based on the Q4 sportswagon, which would have been fantastic. If the 159's platform had been a Lancia as agreed, it would have been less of a problem, as they have long shared components with other brands (Citroën, for example). A luxurious, sporty car can easily be a heavier car, because lightness is not its priority, but in Alfa's case it's a flaw. Mind you, I'm not saying that the 159/Brera family are ugly, but on the Brera, the habitability adds another layer, because it's a 2-seater: it's impossible to sit in the back unless you're a baby in a car seat, and even then it's even less justifiable for the elephantine weight, whereas the Spider, for example, is more coherent in this respect. To appreciate the Brera, you don't need to have tasted the GT, otherwise you're screwed.
What kind of cart do you use?
Giulia sedan, Maserati Quattroporte 5 4.2 and I'm again looking for a Lexus IS200 (1st model) to turn it into a Toyota Altezza.
For coupes, an RX8 R3 (soon 2) and 3 Alfa GTs (1.8, 2.0, 3.2 for the collection).
For the central ones, an S2000, an MX5 NC CC, an MR2 SW20 (which I was kindly given) and an Artega GT (whose engine has given up the ghost again and I despair).
And by the beginning of next year, I'm planning an MX5 RF, a GT86 and BRZ (the second generation), as well as the 2,156 GTA, the 147 GTA, the 166 3.2 and the Thesis.
These are my carts and a few motorcycles.
But the hardest thing is the Lexus IS200 TRD in near-new condition with less than 100,000km, which is virtually impossible to find.
Great collection. I have a 147 GTA in particular and I tell myself I might resell it at some point, but every time I drive it I decide I'm definitely going to keep it. I'm in love with the Busso V6.
The 166 3.2 V6 is never on the market.
There's no shortage of used 166 3.2s on the Swiss market, and if you take a look at autoscout24.ch, you'll see for yourself, dear friend.
Sell the 147 GTA, you'll regret it, as prices are starting to skyrocket in Switzerland 🇨🇭 and some cost more than new at the time, just like the 156.
Stanislas
If you ever want to start a collection, let me know, because in Switzerland 🇨🇭, there's a lot to do when it comes to cars and motorcycles, as the roadworthiness test leaves nothing to be desired. Either it's perfect... or you have to do what's necessary to make sure it isn't. Otherwise, they have the right to prevent you from driving it, and they even have the right to seize your license plates on the spot, as they belong to the Confederation and not to you or the vehicles. The technical inspection is more like a total expertise and forgives nothing.
I live in France, the market is different. I didn't say I wanted to sell my 147 GTA now. But I will at some point, and even more so if I decide to buy a Giulia Quadrifoglio one day.
The same goes for the GR Yaris: I'm just waiting for it to get even higher, and then I'll get tired of it.
I'm waiting to see how things develop. Maybe we'll have to keep combustion cars in stock if there's nothing interesting in new combustion models within 3 years, and if the super malus is extended to almost all cars with a minimum of power.
Stanislas
There's nothing to stop you registering new cars abroad, and for €5,000 you can register as many as you like in Latvia 🇱🇻
You're right to wait for the Yaris, as it won't be discounted much, but the price will rise quickly, like the 147 GTA, depending on mileage.
Registering a car abroad without having an address there? How do I do this? Thank you for your help.
I considered buying a Giulia 2.0 Estrema in Belgium or Germany, but as I had to pay the malus when I registered it in France, I gave up.
Stanislas
Here's an example from Latvia, where you don't have to register your car in France beforehand, because I've made enquiries about moving cars from Switzerland to France without using French plates. In Haute Savoie, a lot of people drive with these plates:
https://youtu.be/csCZKoH-aCw?si=fcqzphVnkTiphh1J
You don't have to worry about it, they open a S.A. there (which you can use afterwards or not for professional reasons for example if you need it). It's all legal, and France can't do anything about it because it's part of the European agreements.
You've got Latvian plates, but when you're stopped I think the cops must not like it if you've got a French license.
As far as insurance is concerned, if you have to have your windshield replaced, as I had to do recently when I got hit by a rock, or if you have a wing damaged, it must be a bit complicated with Latvian insurance. I'm not too convinced.
Stanislas.
It's your company, so I don't see why it would be a problem with your license, French or not, and as for insurance, you don't have to take it out in France, you can take it out abroad, and it's often the French insurers that rip you off the most.
Then there are other ways, like a mailbox in Luxembourg.
Oh, I forgot the 4C on the list and the Opel Speedster, which is in research mode from next year, as well as the Europa/Lekir sister.
I'd love an A110, but like the 4C they cost an arm and a leg, so they'll probably be the last to arrive.
We're going to set up a garage in Haute Savoie, but under Swiss status 🇨🇭 (for tax reasons) to service and prepare Abarth/Alfa/Lancia/Maserati cars, because we've realized that there's a shortage of such vehicles in the area, and they're more interested in supercars and other classic cars.
And why not a big 3 ton suv with the 1.2 purtech. I'm thinking of switching to Dacia, which will surely be better!
I'd rather have a Duster than any of these new models.
The good old days of the 1979 Alfa Romeo ALFETA!
Oooooooh yes!🥰
Hello Ced,
I think you're the most active person on this forum, but also the most negative. Apparently you don't like Alfa and that's your strict right, but get some rest, take a few days off because you're tiring.
The difference between you and me is that I like "real" Alfa cars, whereas all you need is an emblem on a car... that's the big difference. When you confuse realistic with negative... I can't do anything for you, but go and look up the definition in the dictionary. As for being tiresome, it's mutual and nothing forces you to read other people's comments... unless your life is so sad that you'd rather look at the neighbor's.
CED Leave the forum and buy your batteries Mazda nul nul nul
Have you ever tried a Mazda??? No, but it talks in a vacuum! 😂🤣
I don't think anyone who loves Alfa Romeo wants to see future Alfa models based on Peugeots, with PureTech engines that are pointless, or electric cars.
Alfa Romeo must have character, real engines and a distinctive design. Quite the opposite of French movers.
That's what Ced says, and he's right.
People don't understand it, apart from a few and it's the same for Porsche for example or the purists refuse to buy made-up Audis... and I understand them. Thank you 🙏 because I can see that there are still real enthusiasts of the Alfa brand and that's heartwarming. Even Fredo, who believes in electric cars, already has a negative view of the range that's about to arrive and he explains very well how different an Alfa must be from a Tesla.
Ced always gets carried away, but he keeps the site going and argues. Whether some people like it or not, the sales figures, the procrastination, the vebatim (experience, DNA, after-sales service) unfortunately prove him right. And that's depressing...
Mazda? It's the Japanese Alfa, exotic but still exciting to drive: atmo, BVM, sport, line, and so on. Like a real Alfa, those who haven't yet tried it can't yet know...
Exactly, and that's why the sublime 124 was created in partnership with the MX5 (in which the 2 brands invested 50/50, otherwise Mazda would have been condemned to keep the NC platform, which, alas, would not have produced a model as light as the ND), and that's why Mazda was proud to share it with the future Duetto, but Sergio, alas, didn't find it standing enough (even though it's the best roadster platform in the world since Honda's Fin S2000). We could have had a fantastic Duetto.😔😭
La 159 very very far from a garbage can I would be curious to see these people on what he rolls my god good God
Compare it to the 156 and the Giulia... it's no match, but don't forget, gentlemen, that the platform shared with GM wasn't supposed to end up with Alfa... but with Lancia, before Marchionne blew a fuse and decided that Lancia was no longer worth anything, and given the crowd's enthusiasm for Giugiaro's Brera concept, changed tack. just like stopping the Busso long before its time (not for pollution reasons), because they'd supposedly found iron filings in the oil of the 3.2 (so as not to bother bringing it up to standards when a V6 3.6 version with direct injection was in preparation), and he looked like a fool because Novitec, Autodelta, Ellegi Motori and OKTECH have recently... proved the contrary.
But Marchionne was a businessman like Ghosn, who means.... Profitability at all costs.
What's more, he cancelled the 156 evo 2, which was to have been released as a 4WD model and which appeared on the sportwagon Q4 and the crosswagon (it would have been better if he'd stayed away).
Now ask yourself, why did GM, which was supposed to exploit the 159 platform, not want to? It's up to you to answer.
Hi Alexandre, we've got a problem because duplicates are appearing.